And the American Right’s biggest undertaking this century was using military force to transform Iraq and Afghanistan into Jeffersonian democracies while increasing their standard of living and making women equal…maybe the most progressive policy of them all!!
In 2024 it will be D-Democrats and R-Republicans who get elected, so it is more politically accurate to talk about various factions of the Oppressor/Victim party, and of the Barbarian/Civilized party. Both of which support more govt force.
Since Jews are such an important donor, intellectual, and influential group in society, despite low #s of direct votes, reduced support by Jews for Dems is a significant hit.
The continued elite Reps vs populist Trump split is being slowly resolved by the Trump-haters leaving or being booted from active Republican leadership roles, like McCarthy, but this will change in 2028, if not before.
Changing the minds of unreasonable folk won’t be happening directly, but their hearts might change, and the they will rapidly find good, rational reasons for their new beliefs. That market of rationalizations is likely to expand.
"A major hit" means what? Harvard's lawyers were popping champagne corks when the opinion was published because it was so clearly preserving of the de facto status quo, and now they had SCOTUS precedent on their side to get any other challenges dismissed! I bet that if one tries to make a quantitative prediction of the demographics of future classes there and down the line at all the other universities subject to the same holding, that they won't deviate from trend, which will only anger people who are already angry, so in what respect is that a hit at all?
On the other hand, being able to """lose""" a case but continuing to thumb your nose at the result and openly getting away with the same purportedly 'unconstitutional' racial quotas shows how strong and impervious you are, while humiliating and degrading the legitimacy and status of a """Supreme""" Court revealed to be incoherent and impotent and which couldn't even refrain from giving the so-called 'losers' updated instructions on which nakedly cynical lies to tell to continue getting away with it.
There are many powerful tribes that have been forced, kicking and screaming, into bed with the new pillars of our political landscape. Jews now get to play this game too.
But, it seems incredibly unlikely that these Jews will end up riding the Trump train. Nor will they sit angrily on the sidelines with Jonah Goldberg pining for a return to sanity among the Republican Party.
My bet is they’ll continue to be supporters of the Democratic establishment, as they always have been. Perhaps somewhat disgruntled for awhile.
Besides conformity to elite academic and corporate cultures, and their mistaken views on Israel, what causes American Jews to be strongly biased toward progressivism? Can anyone point to specific aspects of their doctrine that would cause such a bias? See statistics below showing bias in political worldview of American religious groups.
Statistics from the Pew Research Center’s Religious Landscape Study Conducted in 2007 and 2014, surveys more than 35,000 Americans from all 50 states about their religious affiliations, beliefs and practices, and social and political views.
% of members that identify as conservative as opposed to moderate or liberal
There is abiding belief in the Jewish community that any strong majoritarianism is a threat to them as a minority group that stands out, and so they sided with the left since it has historically been the “minority” party which was focused on universal human rights.
In isreal, where Jews are the majority, there was no need for this majoritarian aversion (it would in fact be counter productive). On top of that Jews had a real place and a real people they had to fight for against hostile Neighbors.
These two responses to the holocaust (become a majority vs get rid of the majority) have always been in strong tension.
For many Jews the answer was to talk about how bad the settlements were but also cancel any non-Jew that had a critical word to say about isreal.
This felt like rank hypocrisy to many people, see Freddie DeBoer who takes a more consistent leftist perspective on isreal.
I don’t agree with Freddie, but I also think Jews should stop being leftists. If they move to the right they will no longer need to remain hypocritical about isreal.
Hypocrisy tends to be the favored charge of the cynical or the little-brained.
Someone on Deboer’s blog pointed out the absurdity of his numerical approach to oppressor framing. Allow the Arabs to have Israel, and Israelis immediately become a minority in a sea of Muslims, again. (In whatever possible sense they are not already.) Palestinians (a notional thing if ever was) then become … the oppressors insofar as Jews would even be permitted to stay. In the blink of an eye.
(Sorry, it was more succinctly stated, but soon deleted - unclear if by the commenter, or by the blogger, whose keenness to censor certainly cannot be called hypocritical given his Marxist shield.)
As no one will adopt this framing, either in advance as it is obvious, or on the day it happens - there is only one thing to fall back on, to preserve the ideology from doubt.
And it is not the snobbish antipathy of, say, the English or of that minority called WASPs.
It will be much more akin to whatever is that dark sentiment well expressed by the Nazis toward the Jews &etc., or by the Soviets toward the Poles.
I have had time to revisit Bloodlands, folks, after the exchange of last week.
It is just what I said: a litany, a lament, narrow but laser like in focus. It is true or it is not true: on that I cannot speak. But it is not “problematic” unless “problematic” means: threatening to make a fuller picture, of hatred, than the one we have that is serving some of us so very well.
The DeBoer stance is that there should be a one state solution in which everyone joins a single multi-culturalal democratic WIERD state with universal human rights and suffrage. More generally, leftism believes that eventually there should be some kind of world government with universal citizenship, and that the very concept of an ethno-state like Israel is little different then the Nazies in a basic foundational way.
That this would be a disaster for the Jews because they would be a minority amidst a sea of hostile low IQs that hate them is obvious if you believe in that sort of stuff, but leftist doctrine denies these realities.
Since the right is OK with considering some ideas, people, and cultures unique and/or superior/inferior it has no fundamental problem with Israel as an ethno-state nor with it needing to engage in whatever martial means it requires to keep from being swallowed up by the surrounding Arab barbarian hordes.
I actually support a multi-cultural small govt Gaza Confederation, starting with Israeli occupation and enforcement of secular human rights. Combine 5 Swiss Cantons with Singapore strict enforcement of laws, free market economy.
Defer voting & democracy until there is Peace and Prosperity.
Human Rights and rule of law/ equal treatment are more important than democracy, tho less common.
3 states: Jewish Israel, Muslim West Bank, secular Gaza after occupation.
"Defer voting & democracy until there is Peace and Prosperity."
Seems like a big ask bro.
Jim Crow and Apartheid failed. It might be reasonable to believe that low IQs should be ruled by their superiors rather than have democratic voice, but it's not politically tenable. LKY explicitly said Singapore wouldn't work without a Chinese majority.
Sorry, Arnold- there aren't enough Jews in the U.S. to make much of a difference going forward. Sure, they might wake up, but the demographic dies have been cast.
What die? Trump got significantly more black votes in 2020 vs 2016, I've recently heard stories about increasing number of Hispanics polling Republican, and the young have always moved right as they aged. Do you dismiss that or are you unaware?
Right, Trump jumped from 6% of the black vote in 2016 all the way to ... just 8% in 2020, which is a gain of about 0.2% of the total vote, in a year that, ahem, makes one leery to draw any solid statistical inferences about future trends.
I'm aware of no evidence supporting or disputing that claim except I quickly found that increasing Hispanic support of Republicans is not just a Trump Phenomenon.
"I don’t know whether the Democrats or the Republicans had a better year in 2023. I don’t keep score of that game"
I am afraid in this current environment and the race to the bottom, it is more appropriate to say "don't know whether the Democrats and the Republicans had the worse year..."
Undoubtedly, nothing seems to approach the repugnance of anti-Semitism on campuses gone mad on monogamous progressive wokeness, to say nothing of the bizarre confluence of Progressive identity and oppression based ideology that places the death cult Hamas (who is militantly and murderously anti pretty much everything progressive believe in) in the hierarchy as more worthy than Jews.
But, the current right's populist moment that favors and seems to even favor Putin's destructive and murderous aggression in Ukraine is also a massive black mark.
This is not the greatest of American political moments.
"The Left had a difficult year".....but it's had a brilliant half century.
And the American Right’s biggest undertaking this century was using military force to transform Iraq and Afghanistan into Jeffersonian democracies while increasing their standard of living and making women equal…maybe the most progressive policy of them all!!
In 2024 it will be D-Democrats and R-Republicans who get elected, so it is more politically accurate to talk about various factions of the Oppressor/Victim party, and of the Barbarian/Civilized party. Both of which support more govt force.
Since Jews are such an important donor, intellectual, and influential group in society, despite low #s of direct votes, reduced support by Jews for Dems is a significant hit.
The continued elite Reps vs populist Trump split is being slowly resolved by the Trump-haters leaving or being booted from active Republican leadership roles, like McCarthy, but this will change in 2028, if not before.
Changing the minds of unreasonable folk won’t be happening directly, but their hearts might change, and the they will rapidly find good, rational reasons for their new beliefs. That market of rationalizations is likely to expand.
"A major hit" means what? Harvard's lawyers were popping champagne corks when the opinion was published because it was so clearly preserving of the de facto status quo, and now they had SCOTUS precedent on their side to get any other challenges dismissed! I bet that if one tries to make a quantitative prediction of the demographics of future classes there and down the line at all the other universities subject to the same holding, that they won't deviate from trend, which will only anger people who are already angry, so in what respect is that a hit at all?
On the other hand, being able to """lose""" a case but continuing to thumb your nose at the result and openly getting away with the same purportedly 'unconstitutional' racial quotas shows how strong and impervious you are, while humiliating and degrading the legitimacy and status of a """Supreme""" Court revealed to be incoherent and impotent and which couldn't even refrain from giving the so-called 'losers' updated instructions on which nakedly cynical lies to tell to continue getting away with it.
There are many powerful tribes that have been forced, kicking and screaming, into bed with the new pillars of our political landscape. Jews now get to play this game too.
But, it seems incredibly unlikely that these Jews will end up riding the Trump train. Nor will they sit angrily on the sidelines with Jonah Goldberg pining for a return to sanity among the Republican Party.
My bet is they’ll continue to be supporters of the Democratic establishment, as they always have been. Perhaps somewhat disgruntled for awhile.
Besides conformity to elite academic and corporate cultures, and their mistaken views on Israel, what causes American Jews to be strongly biased toward progressivism? Can anyone point to specific aspects of their doctrine that would cause such a bias? See statistics below showing bias in political worldview of American religious groups.
Statistics from the Pew Research Center’s Religious Landscape Study Conducted in 2007 and 2014, surveys more than 35,000 Americans from all 50 states about their religious affiliations, beliefs and practices, and social and political views.
% of members that identify as conservative as opposed to moderate or liberal
Mormon 61%
Evangelical Protestant 55%
Catholic 37%
Historically Black Protestant 36%
Orthodox Christian 34%
Muslim 22%
Jewish 21%
Jehovah's Witness 20%
Buddhist 16%
Hindu 14%
% of members favoring smaller government
Mormon 75%
Evangelical Protestant 64%
Orthodox Christian 61%
Mainline Protestant 59%
Catholic 48%
Hindu 40%
Jewish 40%
Buddhist 40%
Jehovah's Witness 32%
Historically Black Protestant 23%
Muslim 23%
% of members that are Republican
Mormon: 70%
Evangelical Protestant: 56%
Mainline Protestant 44%
Catholic 37%
Orthodox Christian 34%
Jewish 26%
Muslim 17%
Buddhist 16%
Hindu 13%
Historically Black Protestant 10%
Jehovah's Witness 7%
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/
There is abiding belief in the Jewish community that any strong majoritarianism is a threat to them as a minority group that stands out, and so they sided with the left since it has historically been the “minority” party which was focused on universal human rights.
In isreal, where Jews are the majority, there was no need for this majoritarian aversion (it would in fact be counter productive). On top of that Jews had a real place and a real people they had to fight for against hostile Neighbors.
These two responses to the holocaust (become a majority vs get rid of the majority) have always been in strong tension.
For many Jews the answer was to talk about how bad the settlements were but also cancel any non-Jew that had a critical word to say about isreal.
This felt like rank hypocrisy to many people, see Freddie DeBoer who takes a more consistent leftist perspective on isreal.
I don’t agree with Freddie, but I also think Jews should stop being leftists. If they move to the right they will no longer need to remain hypocritical about isreal.
Hypocrisy tends to be the favored charge of the cynical or the little-brained.
Someone on Deboer’s blog pointed out the absurdity of his numerical approach to oppressor framing. Allow the Arabs to have Israel, and Israelis immediately become a minority in a sea of Muslims, again. (In whatever possible sense they are not already.) Palestinians (a notional thing if ever was) then become … the oppressors insofar as Jews would even be permitted to stay. In the blink of an eye.
(Sorry, it was more succinctly stated, but soon deleted - unclear if by the commenter, or by the blogger, whose keenness to censor certainly cannot be called hypocritical given his Marxist shield.)
As no one will adopt this framing, either in advance as it is obvious, or on the day it happens - there is only one thing to fall back on, to preserve the ideology from doubt.
And it is not the snobbish antipathy of, say, the English or of that minority called WASPs.
It will be much more akin to whatever is that dark sentiment well expressed by the Nazis toward the Jews &etc., or by the Soviets toward the Poles.
I have had time to revisit Bloodlands, folks, after the exchange of last week.
It is just what I said: a litany, a lament, narrow but laser like in focus. It is true or it is not true: on that I cannot speak. But it is not “problematic” unless “problematic” means: threatening to make a fuller picture, of hatred, than the one we have that is serving some of us so very well.
The DeBoer stance is that there should be a one state solution in which everyone joins a single multi-culturalal democratic WIERD state with universal human rights and suffrage. More generally, leftism believes that eventually there should be some kind of world government with universal citizenship, and that the very concept of an ethno-state like Israel is little different then the Nazies in a basic foundational way.
That this would be a disaster for the Jews because they would be a minority amidst a sea of hostile low IQs that hate them is obvious if you believe in that sort of stuff, but leftist doctrine denies these realities.
Since the right is OK with considering some ideas, people, and cultures unique and/or superior/inferior it has no fundamental problem with Israel as an ethno-state nor with it needing to engage in whatever martial means it requires to keep from being swallowed up by the surrounding Arab barbarian hordes.
I actually support a multi-cultural small govt Gaza Confederation, starting with Israeli occupation and enforcement of secular human rights. Combine 5 Swiss Cantons with Singapore strict enforcement of laws, free market economy.
Defer voting & democracy until there is Peace and Prosperity.
Human Rights and rule of law/ equal treatment are more important than democracy, tho less common.
3 states: Jewish Israel, Muslim West Bank, secular Gaza after occupation.
"Defer voting & democracy until there is Peace and Prosperity."
Seems like a big ask bro.
Jim Crow and Apartheid failed. It might be reasonable to believe that low IQs should be ruled by their superiors rather than have democratic voice, but it's not politically tenable. LKY explicitly said Singapore wouldn't work without a Chinese majority.
Why are Jews a minority group to begin with? Is there something about their doctrine that causes them to be a minority?
“I don’t know whether the Democrats or the Republicans had a better year in 2023.”
“Better” is not the right word. Perhaps one party did less bad?
Sorry, Arnold- there aren't enough Jews in the U.S. to make much of a difference going forward. Sure, they might wake up, but the demographic dies have been cast.
What die? Trump got significantly more black votes in 2020 vs 2016, I've recently heard stories about increasing number of Hispanics polling Republican, and the young have always moved right as they aged. Do you dismiss that or are you unaware?
Right, Trump jumped from 6% of the black vote in 2016 all the way to ... just 8% in 2020, which is a gain of about 0.2% of the total vote, in a year that, ahem, makes one leery to draw any solid statistical inferences about future trends.
My comment was not just about blacks.
Trump is sui generis, Stu. When he is gone, we go back to 2012's voter distribution.
Worse than that for Republicans. In 2012 73% of registered voters were white (Pew). In 2024 it is expected to be 66% and by 2036 59% (CAP).
My comment was not about Trump.
Trump is what drawing some additional support from minorities- if he isn't on the ballot, they will return to the Democrats.
I'm aware of no evidence supporting or disputing that claim except I quickly found that increasing Hispanic support of Republicans is not just a Trump Phenomenon.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/rcna57553
More likely they will return to not giving a fig, and the 81 & 74 mln/ 65% turnout returns to 60% or less turnout, Pres. winner getting 62 mln.
The politics of fashion:
So out, we’re in.
So in, we’re out.
"I don’t know whether the Democrats or the Republicans had a better year in 2023. I don’t keep score of that game"
I am afraid in this current environment and the race to the bottom, it is more appropriate to say "don't know whether the Democrats and the Republicans had the worse year..."
Undoubtedly, nothing seems to approach the repugnance of anti-Semitism on campuses gone mad on monogamous progressive wokeness, to say nothing of the bizarre confluence of Progressive identity and oppression based ideology that places the death cult Hamas (who is militantly and murderously anti pretty much everything progressive believe in) in the hierarchy as more worthy than Jews.
But, the current right's populist moment that favors and seems to even favor Putin's destructive and murderous aggression in Ukraine is also a massive black mark.
This is not the greatest of American political moments.