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Tom Grey's avatar

Dan Williams is too biased to analyze the crucial facts & reactions of the US to the single most substantial false information promulgated in the last 10 years, based on these facts:

1-HR Clinton’s campaign worked to get true and false dirt on Trump in 2015, especially creating the mostly false Steele dossier.

2-This false info was sent to the FBI which failed to falsify it, and instead accepted it.

3-Using the false info, Obama’s FBI got a FISA court order to allow illegal spying on Trump.

(3b-Obama lied when he said he wasn’t spying on Trump) (3 more judges rubber stamped the illegal spying)

4-After Trump was elected, the false Steele info was used to justify the Special Prosecutor Mueller, who led a 2 year witch hunt on investigating Trump & his staff. Unsurprisingly, a couple were found guilty of other crimes, but not Russian Collusion.

5-Most elite news frequently and confidently predicted Trump being indicted and convicted of collusion, and when Trump called it Fake News, the elites said Trump was lying.

6-There was no illegal collusion.

Williams admirably alludes to some elite / blue tribe problems like the replication crisis, but totally fails to address the Russia Hoax smear against Trump. He claims, against the known actions of Trump as President, that the red tribe (Trump supporters) are unmoored from reality. He uses the recent “Haitian immigrants eating pets in Springfield” to show it.

Illegal actions by the Democratic Deep State, as did occur in 2016-2018, and might have occurred in 2020, are a far far bigger problem than Trump or Vance complaining about 20-15,000 (estimates have gone down) Haitian immigrants sent by Border Czar Harris to a small 60k Ohio town.

This also shows the taking Trump difference between R) seriously but not literally, and D) literally but not seriously. (Neither Blue nor Liberal are on ballots, but D & R are the real choices).

**all should look up the Kiffness YouTube video of Trump Eating the Cats

Vance claims that some constituents have complained. Claims have not been proven.

What is the T-truth? What do you believe? Legally our system presumes innocence, to avoid false guilty verdicts, but that means in practice more false not-guilty verdicts, as many believe was the OJ case.

I believe that most Haitians there are working hard, but some 1-5% are bad guys, 200-1000. It might well be true that a couple cats & dogs have been eaten, it’s very likely that more have been killed in car accidents-where is the proof that the number eaten is 0. If you believe the number is 0, because that’s your presumption, that assumption seems no better, and somewhat weaker, than actual local folk complaining. This issue of what one believes is different than the legal presumption of innocence. Those like Williams calling Trump a liar are doing so without evidence, more because they want to believe he’s a liar, and didn’t want to believe that Obama was lying about the more important illegal spying.

@Stu—this kind of anti-Trump near hysterics by Williams is in line with prior biased criticism of Trump.

Note that huge Dem deep state lies, like H Biden’s laptop being Russian disinformation, are accepted then never more brought up by Dem supporters (almost never). Since it’s elites, Dems, calling for the Human Right of free speech to be censored because of misinformation, the proven false info from Dems should be key issues to be discussed. Williams failure to do shows … significant bias.

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John Alcorn's avatar

Re: "Until more people care about truth rather than tribal status, we are likely to remain in a social epistemology slump"

True. However, there would remain crucial issues in *preferences* (distinct from beliefs) that cut across the divide between progressives and populists. For example, both political 'tribes' persistently prefer to kick the can down the road in public finance (deficits and debt); and both tribes tend to have ever lower birth-rates (via a complex set of revealed preferences).

Short-termism in preferences might be a deeper problem than cognitive tribalism in belief-formation in politics — and more fraught with negative long-term consequences..

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