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Ralmirrorad's avatar

Reaganism in the 2020s or Bushism in the 2020s really makes absolutely no sense. VD Vance hints at this in one of his NatCon speeches.

Those types envisioned America as a place that [1] enforced a particular social and moral order on the rest of the world. [2] Had a trade policy where America's comparative advantage was as a reserve currency where the rest of the world parked their excess savings and the US focused on IP rents and importing most of it's manufactured goods.

A country that can't manufacture its own ships and weapons doesn't get to enforce it's vision of world peace and human rights. Period. People who get offended by this keep thinking the people like me simply like Vladamir Putin and want Liberal democracy to burn. Perhaps we do think that liberal hegemony has a bit of blood on its hands, perhaps setting Libya on fire is a small price to pay for preventing the chaos of a multipolar world. But the guys on the other side literally can't process that right does not make might. They're geopolitical world view is basically a Marvel movie where logistics and strategy don't matter and the plucky good guys always win.

Ukraine might still be winning the war on Twitter but on the ground it's Germany late '43 early '44. And as far as Taiwan goes, the gap the industrial gap between America and China today is essentially an analogy between Japan and America in 1941, with America in the "Six months of fighting and after that no expectation of success". (Except America still has natural resources). Both countries will be lost as long as the other side doesn't give up.

As far as deficits go, the Trump tax cuts were a Paul Ryan Mike Pence thing as much as they were a Trump thing. America really is circling a black hole when it comes to government spending, and there's nothing in pre-trump republicanism that has any positive inspiration.

The only thing the GOP has lost is a pretense of civility.

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Christopher B's avatar

This is the actual private message from Vance to his friend (who disclosed it) from 2016. Note that it's more than 2 words long.

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," Vance wrote. "How's that for discouraging?"

And really, did nothing happen between 2016 and 2024 that might have changed Vance's (or anybody else's) mind?

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