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Graham Cunningham's avatar

"If only we could have an above-board conversation about asylum." Maybe that's just about possible in the US. In the US - although it notoriously has perhaps the most up-itself Social Justice religious mania anywhere in the Western world - there seems also to be a large enough (40%?) sane, socially conservative voting constituency to make such a conversation just about possible given the right political circumstances. Plus, as you say, the hispanic immigrants are inherently more assimilable. Europe is different. Continental Europe has a significant socially conservative population but it is an angry one and its anger is up against a vast entrenched smug bureaucracy that is literally too stupid to know how to 'converse' about anything. And then there's the UK. The UK population has absorbed so much BBC smug-fest-type nonsense - and over so many decades now - that it has become effectively a suicidal basket case.

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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

Alex Nowrasteh at Cato provides IMO a good example of how to forthrightly discuss legitimate concerns about crime and assimilation from a pro-immigration viewpoint, without trying to shame or dismiss those who hold those concerns. If pro-immigration establishment figures, especially in Europe, would follow his example the debate would be much more productive.

Such a debate, though, should also include the fact that enforcement of modern immigration restrictions invariably involves the infliction of extraordinary cruelty, cruelty we would consider impermissible in most other contexts even if favored by a majority, upon large numbers of people the vast majority of whom are peaceable innocents. This reality is in turn something the anti-immigration right often wishes to rationalize or dismiss because it complicates their preferred narrative.

Immigration is also far from the only issue these days where public debate is mostly dishonest because of the strength of the incentives all major participants face to rationalize away inconvenient complications. At the very least abortion and gender issues have to be put in this bucket too, and probably you can think of others.

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