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MikeDC's avatar

This is going to sound tautological, but liberalism is under attack because liberalism is under attack.

This is a pretty good descriptive definition of liberalism: "We use markets to determine who has economic resources. We use democracy to determine who has political power. And we use science to determine who has truth."

I don't believe many populist would attack these liberal principles. On the other hand, elites are and have been consistently pushing back the role of markets, democracy, and science and expanding alternative methods of distributing economic resources, controlling political discourse, and determining acceptable and operational truths.

Simply put, you have it backwards. Elites are systematically dismantling liberalism while maintaining its facade. This is the true attack on liberalism. Populists are attacking liberalism as ineffectual and a facade in reaction. But in practice, populists would largely be happy to return to liberalism in practice. And Elitists are happy to continue to destroy it.

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Charles Pick's avatar

It's challenging to define "liberalism" because liberalism is itself a definitional battlefield. The different liberal factions each claim different constructions of the term. So, it is ambiguous.

>True liberalism is not a natural belief system. The natural belief system is “freedom for me, but not for thee.” People easily succumb to Fear Of Others’ Liberty (FOOL). In America, the high status of our Founding Fathers, who held liberal beliefs, helped us to stave off the FOOLs.

Correct; and I think this FOOL issue requires some unpacking because I don't think that it is entirely irrational. If you perceive that other people are going to use their political liberty to take away your political liberty, your FOOL is rational. Another issue is that there are multiple kinds of liberty, but we tend to use the word interchangeably. If you see it as national liberty (freedom of my nation from external domination), individual liberty (my personal freedom to do as I wish), political liberty (my freedom to control my affairs through the political process), and so on, then many debates start to look like fights over what kinds of tradeoffs between liberties we are going to get.

For example, a fan of late-19th century American liberalism might not see a contradiction in saying that his liberalism requires absolute freedom of contract, but is less doctrinaire on free trade. An early 20th century liberal will say that free trade is essential, but that freedom of contract should be malleable, and that a good modern liberal understands that the state must step in to even the scales when it comes to contracts. A post-1960s liberal would tend to see freedom of contract as an anachronism, is pro-free trade on utilitarian grounds, and sees absolute individual freedom when it comes to media consumption and expression as completely sacrosanct. A post-2015 liberal is against free markets, against free speech, is pro aggressive nuclear war, anti-industrialization, but utterly committed to absolute sexual and pharmacological freedom without restraints.

An archaic liberal from the 18th century will be somewhat baffled on the issue of contract because modern contract law did not exist then, but many of them would at least tolerate slavery, with radicals gesturing towards a day when it might no longer be needed (like even Aristotle did). There's a lot that can be said on this topic beyond the reasonable scope of a comment.

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