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1) Replace religious with “low iq third worlders” and replacing population B with population A sounds a lot worse.

2) moderate population decline (say 1.5-1.8) TFR would probably be fine for certain overcrowded countries (like Japan). Provided there is no immigration. Obviously east Asia is way past moderate.

3) “working longer” has consequences. Do we want most of our institutions being run by 70 year olds? What would be the affects of that? Gerontocracy isn’t just about entitlements, it’s about the center of gravity of a civilization.

Moreover, working grandparents can’t watch grandkids.

4) the dependency ratio isn’t the primary problem. The primary problem is that medical expenses are theoretically infinite. Absent dependency issues Medicare could still bankrupt us.

5) people without kids or with few kids seem to act very different then people with kids, and it mostly seems to be a bad thing

6) my personal opinion is that the childless free ride on the child bearing. If this free ridding were eliminated (say via massive child tax breaks that acknowledge the costs of child rearing) then I think people would get closer to their desired fertility

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You misunderstood the Mouse Utopia experiment. It didn't show population declined because of lack of resources, it showed population decline in the presence of *abundant resources*:

"What would happen if animals in the wild could count on human sources for their diet and never have to hunt or scrounge? What if, in other words, we humans imposed a generous welfare state on our furry friends?"

https://fee.org/articles/john-b-calhoun-s-mouse-utopia-experiment-and-reflections-on-the-welfare-state/

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