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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

Re: Hong Kong, it is worth thinking about previous cases where we stood by and did nothing, because there was (arguably) nothing we could really do, while a superpower crushed the liberal aspirations of people on its periphery. Think of Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968, for example. What did US institutions do right in those cases, and what did they do wrong, and what lessons can we learn?

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With respect to "It is sobering that we did so little when China crushed that country." I feel it’s good practice to use words precisely. First, China did not crush the country; they did suppress anti-government protests. Second, HK is not a country. It is a city within China, under Chinese control but with more liberal local government dispensations.

Going past the wording, the sentiment is as empty as the exhortation to “honor the sacrifice” of HK. Assuming we means the USA, once confrontation, violence, and force made their way to the fore, I don’t see anything that the US could have effectively done to change the balance of the conflict. There is no possible scenario where China would not have the means and the will to maintain control over HK. If the US wanted to do something more for HK, it would not have used its government and non-government influences to stoke the flames of confrontation. Instead, it decided to use HK as a pawn in US China cold war and the US got their propaganda win. A shame about that little self-determination loss for others.

Moving on to: “Powerful bad people are defeating powerless good people, just as they have for millennia.” I am going to speak realistically to this statement and its emotionalism, in the single context of China. It is poor thinking to characterize sides as having either good people or bad people. In the China HK context, there are some bad people and a great many good people on both sides. I believe I have met some of the good people. Unfortunately, the sides have different visions for society. Despite living between China, HK, and Taiwan for almost all of my adult life, I don’t happen to know what vision is best for any of those Chinese societies and I find it distasteful that western funded activists are plying their trade to reify the one correct vision that Mr. Rosen subscribes to. Those countries will develop in their own time according to their cultural sentiments, population characteristics, and internal pressures.

Mr. Rosen strikes me as one of a kind with the type of people that decided to bring “Laws, values, and idealism” to places like Iraq and Afghanistan. The powerful good type of people with bullets and worse. The type of people who have ideals to remake the world, but can’t say in advance what kind of world their ideals will make.

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