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Took my kids to the library.

Book featured on shelf above kids books is a kids book called The Protest. Five kids of various races find out that a developer wants to build something on top of their vegetable garden. Kids are sad because they can possibly get vegetables from anywhere without the garden. Adults are sad that “the city is changing fast with new people and buildings”. They decide to organize protest chanting “no, cars, no! Let our garden grow!”

In the end they are successful in getting development cancelled and are overjoyed. They vow to be ready the next time a developer tries to build something in their neighborhood.

I see lots of screwed up race, gender, and an activists books at the library these days, but this is the first time I’ve seen a NIMBY book.

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1) I'd like to posit a reason for NIMBYism that I've never seen anyone address.

Namely, people who have had a home built by one of the big development companies often hate the experience.

I myself had a lot of difficulty with them and felt like I had to constantly be involved to keep from getting screwed. Lots of dishonesties in the sales process came up. I had to have a brinkmanship negotiation with the developer the week of closing to get basic things finished on my house. Later on I found out that the developer had stolen all of the top soil from my home to sell on the market, meaning all of the grass they put in started to die. They did this to everyone in my development. Also, the workmen they hired literally just through their trash in the lawn and covered it with dirt. I and all my neighbors would dig up coke cans and other trash in our lawns after we move in.

Others had it worse than me. One has a pretty bad supporting beam installation. Another had their house flood multiple times. I won't go down the entire list of problems.

And we supposedly went with a slightly higher end developer with a better reputation!

It was bad enough that I went to a printing store to get a sign made to protest outside the development sales office if they didn't fix the issues before our closing. And you know what, the person running the printing shop has made signs to protest developers before many times. Not from activists, but from dissatisfied homeowners. Apparently this is a common thing.

I live in a town where 90% of housing stock is less than twenty years old. Basically all of it was built by one of the big names (Ryan Homes, etc). So you would think a community composed entirely of people that bought from a developer would like developers and be YIMBY.

But no. The anti-growth (I would say extreme anti-growth) mayor/council has won every election for over a decade including a recent one. During the campaign someone spray painted "developer" over the campaign signage of the opposition candidates. Like it was a swear word.

I would pose that as long as the homebuilding industry is allowed to practice in this manner that its going to be very hard to get traction on YIMBY.

2) As to rationalism vs localism, its relatively easy to say "we are going to override this local failure", but harder not to have the solution become its own failure mode.

During the pandemic people who were dissatisfied with NY/CA could at least move to FL/TX. Of course lots of people thought it was a crime that dumb red states should be able to ignore the science and kill people! The CDC and the federal government shouldn't allow it! And in many ways national institutions public and private did impose their views on red states.

If you want EXIT, you need localism.

3) Finally, the "rationalist" perspective often just means "rational, ignoring context." Civil Rights did end a lot of problems, but it also completely destroyed our cities in a massive crime wave. The Fair Housing Act did end whites only communities, and also cause people to triple down on zoning and sprawl to avoid blacks.

I have no doubt there is some irrational NIMBYism out there (I've seen it), but a lot of it is just a backdoor answer to failures in public order and public education that the people who scream about NIMBY are scared to fix.

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