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Cinna the Poet's avatar

The Epstein thing seems more complex than some people acknowledge. It's pretty obvious that not everything recounted in those emails reflects reality. I don't think George HW Bush really raped a man.

If we stick to what's been supported with independent evidence, clearly Epstein himself is a sleazy pervert, and the question is how it reflects on the elites who stayed friends with him.

Your mileage may vary, but honestly I judge Larry Summers and Peter Attia more harshly for cheating on their wives than for being friends with Epstein. If a close friend of mine did something as bad as what Epstein is known to have done, I'd probably stay friends with them. If a less-important friend did that, I'd probably ditch that friend. But I have friends who frequently drive drunk, for example, putting people's actual lives at risk. I don't disassociate myself from those people.

I don't know how many of Epstein's friendships with these notables were close, as opposed to friendly acquaintances. But it's not obvious to me that what he did means he deserved to have zero friends from then on. Friendship is a funny, complicated thing.

If people stop listening to Larry Summers's thoughts about economics because of this, those people are unreasonable. Whether he's a good person or not, Summers knows what he's talking about.

gas station sushi's avatar

Most of the high profile cases of so called sex trafficking that get reported in the news don’t really strike me as meeting the plain meaning definition of that term. These stories are mostly about completely voluntary encounters fueled by alcohol, drugs and the irresistible allure of partying and masquerading with wealthy people. The regret only comes after the fact.

If the elites need to be held accountable for their poor behavior, which they absolutely do, then so do their groupies. Let’s not allow the poor behavior of the groupies to be lumped together with the true victims of sex slavery.

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