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Dallas E Weaver's avatar

The statement: "Neither author seems to have a background in engineering, science, or economics" could be applied to the vast majority of discussions about energy, resources, ecology, sustainability, etc. with our regulators and political class from the head of the department of energy (Canadian-American lawyer, educator, author, political commentator, and politician serving as the 16th United States secretary of energy since 2021) on down. Can you imagine someone who knows nothing about energy in all its forms making decisions, when she get two different opinions from two different experts who do know about energy? Being a lawyer she will decide that the one with the better presentation or the results she wants is scientifically the better choice, but of the many really brilliant scientists I have known, some of the best and brightest, can explain better in the language of science than the language of bureaucrats. Makes me think of a management technical question where, as a very young man, I filled three blackboards with differential equations proving a high priced expert with 40 years experience was wrong on a specific issue. The management had forgot their math language and supported the "expert", which lost the company $17million on that decision.

It strikes me in my old age as funny now when I hear stupidity coming out of the mouths of our "leaders" and "rulers". I used to get upset at statements that violated the laws of thermodynamics as great "environmental experts" and regulators would say nonsense.

Having done my thesis in hard sciences - thermodynamic areas and work in STEM areas for half a century the amount of nonsense spewed by so called "experts" like our political and bureaucratic class is astounding. Our regulators do the same thing as the tobacco companies did in hiring "scientists" that give them the answers they want to questions that may or may not be relevant. If the scientist gives results they don't want, it gets buried and he is no longer the PI on future contracts.

Any so-called "environmentalist" that doesn't support a revenue neutral carbon tax at the well/mine head or import terminal, has some hidden agenda or doesn't understand global warming. As some who has taught graduate level environmental engineering, most of the people claiming environmental knowledge working for activist organizations or the regulators just know buzz words, like sales people in highly technical area, but don't really understand.

Note: "energy" and "human creativity" are the only "resources" that are limiting humanity. Atoms don't go away but become diluted and energy can always recover them allowing energy to produce all other factors we call "resources", including food. (exception being nuclear energy where we get a measurable mass change in one atom into energy instead of a trivial amount of mass/energy in a chemical bond in a fossil fuel). There are only political limits on energy supply and distribution. With the exponential increase in scientific knowledge, the limits on human creativity have become purely social limits created by our vetocracy, where every activists and politician/bureaucrats opinion has veto power (a tragedy of the anti-commons problem).

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Charles Pick's avatar

Yes, the China energy story really helps to explain a lot of what's happening in the world in terms of economics and geopolitics. It goes under-remarked on. Industrial production requires a lot of tradeoffs, bargaining, and conflict. Just importing stuff that has already been made for you someplace else eliminates a lot of those issues in the short run, but creates many more potential issues in the long run.

I disagree with the thesis of the authors that environmental policy is the largest driver of this dynamic. It's one driver, but the bigger one is 20th century labor policy. At the end of the day, there are a squintillion ways to get around the mostly silly and paperwork-based environmental regulations in the west. But getting around the labor regulations and the larger institutional-legal edifice that makes cost of living so high is impossible. Energy flows to the region in which it will be used most profitably. That region is east Asia, and its most productive country is China.

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