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Yancey Ward's avatar

If you map gun homicides across the US, it will look like this map:

https://www.energyjustice.net/justice/index.php?gsLayer=black&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr82iBhCuARIsAO0EAZxXVqPvi-1jHjLhPGng1wHrRKZlt2Lgw3ZdG0GU1fhNRKBXFji8N90aAtPtEALw_wcB

which should be unsurpising given the FBI statistics on gun homicides. While I think Woodard is being deliberately deceptive- basically lying by omission- I have encountered the fact that a lot of white people outside the South don't truly grasp how many African-Americans live in the South. I am often met by disbelief when I tell them that the states of the deep South, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA have between 22%-38% African- American population. The only state that is an outlier in this regard, what is considered an "Northern State" with such a large fraction of African Americans, is Maryland at 32%.

In my own state, Tennessee, it is 17% African-American. When you examine the FBI crime data on non-negligent homicides for 2016- almost all of the murders occur in the 5 biggest cities of Tennessee- Nashville, Memphis, Chattanooga, Knoxville, and Clarksville. My own town of Oak Ridge has between 0 and 1 murders most years, with the occasional 50% spike to 2. A large majority of the jurisdictions in Tennessee have zero murders every year. I imagine this is true in all the states of the US. Murders are highly concentrated in the most urbanized areas of every state.

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Taimyoboi's avatar

“ It would create loyalty through a sort of sunk cost fallacy.”

This doesn’t seem right to me. Having already gone through a hazing may create a sunk cost mentality.

But I think the point is that ex ante the high cost of joining has a selection effect. While the high cost of joining may on margin compel people to remain, I think the bigger effect is that it selects out—before they even make an attempt—those people who don’t have the commitment or wherewithal to go through it in the first place. Special forces selection programs would be a good example.

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