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forumposter123@protonmail.com's avatar

I feel like you are describing a liberalism that just doesn't exist. In many cases "the liberals" are on the opposite side of some of the things you describing.

Looking at this list of thinkers Vance likes, what are we likely to end up with that is such a challenge to liberalism.

1) Reform Civil Rights Law

2) Tough on Crime

3) Curb immigration, especially third world and illegal immigration

4) Tax and legal incentives to families and children vs singles

5) School choice

6) Tariffs vs other ways of raising revenue

7) Generally more pro-building/low regulation (red state vs blue state)

8) Anti-Woke

While some of these are bugaboos to liberal purity, they hardly seem like the end of all good things. Some are very firmly in the liberal camp versus what "liberals" have actually cooked up.

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Graham Cunningham's avatar

Wright's thesis reads like a case of lazily 'winning' an argument by straw-manning the opposition. This Liberalism vs Post-liberalism debate is way too complex to be argued out on a Substack comment thread but two remarks:

1) avoid lazy hyperbole....no intellectual worth the name ever argues that Anything is "the source of everything that is wrong with the world"

2) the essential post liberal argument as I understand it is not that political Liberalism is wrong but rather that political Liberalism is no more. That, in other words, to everything there is a season.

Way too complex as I say but I offer this essay as doing a better job of it than Wright's:

https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/take-me-to-your-experts

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