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Martin Greenwald, M.D.'s avatar

Bryan needs to explain why someone with schizophrenia who is in the midst of a psychotic episode is fundamentally different than someone in the midst of an epileptic seizure shaking on the floor, in the sense than in both cases the person's brain is in a highly abnormal state which causes various behaviors we wouldn't normally expect. Does the epileptic have a preference for flailing around on the ground? Obviously not.

One central problem (as I see it) is Bryan's belief in free will, which totally clouds his entire analysis. Many of the conditions we are talking about systematically warp and distort peoples' decision-making and judgment. Viewing the mentally ill as just making different choices based on different preferences is the kind of things I would expect to hear from someone who has never actually met a severely mentally ill person in their lives, which I suspect may actually be the case for Bryan (but that's just my suspicion from the way he talks about this stuff).

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Gordon Tremeshko's avatar

Good post. Caplan's framing of these issues is way too reductive in my opinion. I think the big issue here is executive function. Many people with those "preferences" Caplan describes wish they had different preferences. Their conscious mind wants one thing but they find themselves behaving in a way that thwarts those conscious goals or desires. A gun to the head can certainly help someone like that override compulsions, but wouldn't it also be nice if they could do that for themselves, without extreme duress?

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