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luciaphile's avatar

I guess I lean a little amoral - because my first thought was - how can Israel respond to this in a way that moves the needle on its precarity, that gets it out of the path-dependent rut so that this *particular* situation doesn't replay on an endless loop until demographics turn the tide in the Arabs' favor and do the work of eliminationism (an outcome, it should be noted, the left doesn't mind)?

For all its "idealism" the left seems very content with the status quo in a lot of dimensions. I guess this can always be cast as adherence to morality, but it has a grim dystopian character that feels off.

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“You say you condemn atrocities but you will get off the train should Israel not live up to your expectations for moral conduct during war. You were never on the train.”

Should Israel not live up to any expectations for moral conduct? Would you not look to any objective moral judge in such an emotionally heated moment?

The answer is clearly yes, but the implication here is that Israel ought to get to choose the moral standard for its own conduct and no one will get to second guess whether its actions are right because of its conduct.

I do think that is wrong, and it is permissible to say I condemn, but you need to conduct yourselves in a morally permissible fashion.

Do we not get to reevaluate the US’s invasion of Iraq with hindsight and look at all of the civilian casualties and consider that the US may have been wrong?

I will be rooting for Israel to eradicate Hamas, “but” I hope with hindsight that the cost will not end up being too high.

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