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Had interesting ChatGPT session on Smith’s essay, as I'm no expert in military matters. Directionally, it agreed with drones being the cheap smart bullet, but felt it was misleading in that drones are cheap as a unit, but drone warfare is not cheap as a system. ChatGPT: *It consumes operators, batteries, chips, cameras, antennas, explosives, fiber, launch crews, software updates, repair shops, test ranges, training pipelines, and enormous quantities of battlefield data. Drones also have short life cycles; countermeasures can make last month’s model obsolete. That creates a new logistics burden. It is less like owning a few exquisite fighter jets and more like running a ravenous, high-churn electronics ecosystem under fire. This favors countries with strong commercial manufacturing, spare-parts networks, software talent, and procurement flexibility.* As noted, the manufacturing piece is biggest threat for the U.S. One other AI point was how the new battlefield is not drones replacing everything; it is a permanent drone/counter-drone arms race. The winning military is not the one that merely buys drones. It is the one that can iterate faster than the enemy can jam, spoof, intercept, armor, hide, or overwhelm them.

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Analysts are underestimating how much damage societies are willing to suffer in war.

Kyiv has been hit by probably tens of thousands of drones and missiles.

Look at Gaza- the infrastructure is flattened but Hamas still exists.

Also look at the London Blitz, Dresden, Tokyo.

The reality is that the damage a drone causes is pretty minor relative to conventional air strikes. It is just highly inconvenient for a country with no wish to be involved in an all out war (eg UAE, KSA) to suffer expensive infrastructure damage. Once in all out war, countries accept massive damage but continue fighting (including Iran).

For now, conventional air superiority that allows an attacker to take out the economy, ports, rail, air bases, military bases, etc is much more damaging than thousands of drone strikes.

What drones do is raise the costs and risks of a conventional attack and also the costs of defending civilian infrastructure.

Europe is essentially defenseless against missiles and drones, and their fear of damage could hold the US hostage in a conflict, just as the UAE, Qatar and KSA’s fear of damage is constraining the US from destroying Iran’s oil industry and manufacturing base and missile launchers.

Within ten years we’ll be talking about millions of drones and also large high payload UAVs- this will be the real change in warfare.

Ukraine today is not a good example because if the US were involved Russia would have no fortified lines, no rail or truck depots, no factories or ports or air bases. Drones would be an afterthought- the bigger discussion would be about when Russia will use nukes. Not a surprise that Iran sought nukes and N Korea has them.

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