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Murray noted two things on inequality:

1) As returns to IQ increase, meritocracy (liberty) will increase inequality.

2) The most important form of equality today is the breakdown of social norms. Belmont vs Fishtown. Giving wage subsidies to FIshtown will not in and of itself solve the fact that Fishtowners don't get married for instance.

Hollebecque called this "the extension of the domain of struggle". Basically, the applying of meritocracy to the family and sexual relations (which naturally causes huge inequality, Christian marriage is not biologically natural but a form of sexual socialism).

Extending liberty to the social realm has mostly made things more unequal. When you tell people they can have all the drugs, sex, and implicitly violence and crime that they want it turns out Fishtown is a hellhole. This gets worse and worse the more you try to liberate the aberrant.

This is something that libertarians* can't quite come to grips with. The answer seems to be "well, if they implode that's their own problem. This never really works out (when they implode it affects everyone around them, and its empirically inevitable that the government ends up getting involved.)

*Murray is more a conservative that respects libertarian solutions in many cases. He may or may not favor legalized pot, but he would probably scold rather than encourage people in Fishtown to smoke pot.

There are of course many reforms to laws we could make on these issues, but fundamentally I think that the current divide between the Upper/Middle/Lower makes a kind of sense. The Upper wants relaxation of the old standards so they can indulge, but generally this doesn't destroy them (I'd argue it lessens them, but the effect is more in opportunity cost than gutter). The middle would prefer the old standards. The lower wants no standards even if it destroys them because they can't plan ahead and they see little hope anyway. Government and cultural outcomes therefore tends to favor the upper (that can manipulate it) and the lower (which can ignore it and get paid off), though not always to long term benefit.

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titus's avatar

"Why wasn’t the trade-off between liberty and equality more obvious two hundred years ago?"

It was obvious two hundred years ago. Tocqueville wrote a great deal about this and predicted equality would eventually triumph over liberty.

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