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I put myself through college playing poker mainly on the internet during the big boom. In this model there is no house and the house only makes money off "the rake", a small % taken out of each pot.

Poker famously has many players that are long term winners, though all of the data I have seen places these long term winners at less then 5% of all players (and the number of serious winners that could make a real long term living at it less then 1%).

My roommate in college (he was in a separate room on the same hall by the time he started playing poker) got into a terrible spiral doing online poker trying to emulate my success, and ended up writing bad checks and racking up $30,000 in debt. He went from a star student to nearly flunking out. Despite my close proximity to him I didn't even know his situation until it started to impact him in ways that couldn't be denied. It seems clear to me that the money I used to pay for college came from people like him.

The fact of there being this tiny group of long run winners is the entire advertising gimmick of the poker industry that they advertise, so they make no effort to limit winners (since the house doesn't participate in the risk, they don't care about winners). Many of the sites even bribed people to attempt to become serious winners (rake back programs, which reduce the rake that heavy players pay on their winning pots a little), since again by definition its a zero sum game and every transaction takes more rake out of the pot.

So online poker already runs on model Lyman Stone is proposing. And it was the original online gambling addiction problem. I could easily see the entire online sports betting model changed to this format (player vs player with a rake for the house) and it not impacting the exploitation level at all. Instead, a small group of heavy and sophisticated "gamblers" would be the house on the other side of the bets. I already believe this to be the case (there are literal hedge funds that try to exploit online gambling). In fact if I knew anything about sports betting I would bet this player vs player model already exists and I could provide an example (a fantasy sports league is like this).

Anyway, we already have awareness of the problem. It's that awareness doesn't matter. You either shut this stuff down or you don't.

I would dispute that 95% of people are fine. 95% of people have a bad habit they should probably stop and would properly recognize as a vice. Maybe the government can't police every vice out there, but I remember a time when for instance you didn't have casinos in every state. Probably a few less social security checks got shoved down slot machines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2luhwy3KAE0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1a36V737qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJWEJuKXZyk

Dennis P Waters's avatar

Almost all businesses have some sort of 80/20 rule in which 20% of the customers account for 80% of the revenue and/or profit. As a result almost all businesses will optimize their processes to "exploit" this group, whether they be the psychologically weak, the "animal buyer," or the "Big Mac lover." Predation is in the eye of the beholder.

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